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What's up with this? Anyone got any first hand accounts? I kind of feel like joining them. Very little press coverage so far.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/wall-street-protest-begins-...

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I went down there....

...with Katey and Nan, on Thursday night around midnight, and it looked really nice to me, a park full of people camping out on a warm night, some talking quietly, others sleeping. It was inspiring, and it looked like fun. I was quite shocked that it had taken days of this going on before I had even heard about it. I was on my way to a late-night radio show and then a comic convention in Boston (just got home to NYC 10 minutes ago), so there was no way I could have joined the people there, but if I had not had other things on my schedule I think being there would have been a great thing to do (are they still there? Maybe can spend some time there Sunday/tomorrow?). I suppose the fact that my "other things to do" were higher priority than joining to protest does say something about my priorities and the priorities of millions of others, if the protest was important enough to me I would drop the other priorities and be there downtown with the men and women who have been sacrificing their time for this cause.
Those people in the park might need some entertainment too, if anybody wants to go down and play some tunes. I'm not sure what the situation is at the moment - if it's a heavy police-action scene then it's gotten much uglier than the peaceful communal encampment/gathering that I witnessed on Thursday night.

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Next Genearl Assembly is 1pm today.

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Respect The Process

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I'm going to Wall St right now - come on down?

Immortal Technique just put me over the edge - I'm heading out the door to go down there right now, tho I don't know what's happening there at the moment
ANybody wanna come down and meet me there?
I'll be reachable at 347-819-5894
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Try to stay for a General

Try to stay for a General Assembly. This is the best part. Think I'll try to go again tomorrow afternoon.

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Report from Wall St

I just got back, it was getting dark and I figured I'd head back home for dinner (though there was plenty of free food there at the gathering).

With an ongoing protest/gathering/encampment like this, there's the unusual feeling of not knowing when to go, not knowing how long to stay, not knowing how best to lend my presence.
After being there this afternoon I'd say that it doesn't matter when you go or how long you stay - the very act of being there AT ALL is a very positive experience. An amazing feeling that it's hard to put into words. The people that I saw there were a VERY diverse crowd. And the array of available mini-scenes was very interesting and inviting. In one section was a "library" of tons of books and publications available to pick up, and of course I'm sure they'd welcome donations (of reading material). In another section was a mini-internet cafe, a park table that was covered in laptops and people gathered around using them - I'm not sure if there was a wi-fi signal or if they were doing other things. In another area there were a bunch of people gathered around somebody talking, I'm not sure of the topic. There was a schedule board drawn on some pieces of colored paper announcing things like perhaps a yoga class at a certain hour, a drum circle at a certain time, things like that. There was a food area that looked very well organized, with a lot of food available free for anybody, administered by some volunteers at a long table, with pizzas, apples, cookies, some kind of rice dish, and lots of other foods. There was a bucket for cash donations towards the food supply.
There was also elsewhere, amazingly, a collection plate of money on the ground for ANYTHING. It was just sitting on the ground, administered by nobody - and full of cash. It said "if you have extra money, leave some - if you need some money, take some."
I bumped into good ol' David Peel, who chatted my ear off of course, quite amiable. He was sitting with a bunch of those old pot-head worn-down radical types, but there was room for all kinds of people here, as far as I could tell no one group dominated the proceedings.

I didn't know if i should bring a guitar, or a sketchbook, or some food, or what. So I had left the house with a bunch of my "low budget video" performance artwork, stuff that might be appropriate to perform there, like my "French Revolution" song. After checking out the scene, I was very inspired by the wide-open "anarchy-in-action" vibe, it seemed like anybody could set up an area for anything, and it would be respected and attended by anybody interested. So I figured I'd just pick a place to stand and start singing my songs out loud, showing the artwork, and see what kind of crowd gathered. But then I noticed a few people who had just started up an impromptu open-mic area - it was a large square of green paper taped to the ground for a "stage", and they had written out some signs announcing that it would be the "people's stage" and they had started a sign-up list on a notebook. So I signed up and sat down on the ground with the gathering little gang of open-mic attendees and I took out my sketchbook and sketched and watched a bunch of performers. Like any open mic there was a wide range of quality, some folks were clearly completely unused to public performance, but it was a really cool diverse performance. A college kid with a cello did a cello improv. An old rasta guy did a long-ass a cappella song/poem, the guys keeping the notebook eventually had to nudge him and tell him to wrap it up. An older fella with a banjo and his equally elderly wife, both of whom had travelled to the gathering from West Virginia (!) performed a great couple of political songs they had written, they were obviously experienced with doing street performance. I got up and did a couple of my illustrated songs a cappella, to great response. I think anybody with any performance skills would be very much appreciated down there - when you're occupying a park for days on end there's a real need for quality entertainment. But you gotta bring your street-performance skills - no muttering or finger-picking is gonna cut it, you gotta know how to belt it out and strum it loud to be heard. Or to do poetry, or rap, or monologue, etc.

That guy Cornell West showed up and started giving a talk in another part of the park and got a bunch of folks gathered around him.

A parade of other protesters showed up, with drums and signs, and everybody cheered them.

Another drum circle broke out and got pretty big.

Katey came and met me and saw some people she knows there.

Overall it was great. The biggest problem, as I see it, is how to get work done there. If i could get my daily work done while being down there, I'd just set up camp and spend hours there.

I recommend everybody go and check it out, even for a half hour if you don't have time to stay longer. It's truly America in action, in a good way. Quite different from any other protest that I've ever attended, really.

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Another report from Wall St

Well, when I said only loud performers should play there, I don't mean that in any way different than I would say it to anybody playing ANYwhere unamplified - in the subway, on the street, on a rooftop, in a park, etc. Even playing an attentive, quiet house show requires a somewhat different skill-set than playing on stage with microphones and amplification. Playing unamplified on a street in the midst of Manhattan, with cars going by and sirens and conversations etc, requires you to be able to project if you want to do it effectively. I saw many performers at the Wall St. occupation who had seemingly no idea that nobody further than five inches from their face would be able to hear them - and then when there were performers who COULD project their voices and music it was like night and day, people could really pick up on it and get into it.

I was down there again today - saw Tina Trachtenburg, Peter Stampfel and Roger Manning.

There was a raging drum circle/marching band sorta thing going on, so it was too loud for any other speaking/performing to be happening other than that, but at least it was enthusiastic and boisterous and impossible for the surrounding street traffic to ignore, a great big pagan to-do.

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Wow.

I went down about 4pm and about 50 people were sitting in silent meditation.
The sign said "Flash Meditation".
After watching for about 10 minutes I joined in.
About 15 minutes later someone said the silent part was over and some folks brought out drums.
The drumming was on point and high energy.
More people began to gather around and for an hour it was just drums--loud and strong usually with dips into more subtle playing.
We rode the waves and people literally clapped and cheered whenever a drum climax occurred.
Then, some folks marched up from out on the street--including some horn players.
The horn players joined the drummers and it went for another 1 1/2 hrs.
High energy.
All kinds of people genuinely smiling.

It was one of the nicest musical experiences of my life.
No one plays like that unless they play free--with abandon.

The press can say what they like--and one on one everyone there may have slightly different concerns and reasons for being there, but what I experienced during the 2 1/2 hr. drum and horn event was solidarity.
It was above and beyond goals, at least for some.
Much different than what you usually see in society.

Overall I was deeply impressed.

This thing is more serious than I thought it was.

PS Number-wise there were maybe 300-400 by 7pm.

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I'm so glad you had that-Meditation in Protest

I'm so glad you had that experience, Barry. It's important one has experiences like that from time to time, so I'm glad for you.

I relate through my own recent experience going to my first Quaker Meeting.
I checked them out because of their long history of social resistance for humanitarian causes.
They don't have any preachers. All everyone does is sit together in a room in silent meditation. Occasionally folks that have something inspired to say stant up and talk as long as they want.
It's really relaxed and spacious.
It goes on like this for a whole hour.

Then afterwards, some folks choose to hang around and socialize a bit.
I socialize all the time and I was struck by how different than usual I felt
My mind was totally relaxed and I was totally unselfconcious. Yet I was totally lucid and sober.

This experience made me think hard about how meditation immediately before group socials might be a critically important idea for me.

I'd have a better and more genuinely connective time with people and meanwhile I'd be less inclined to use booze and such as a crutch for my usual nervous tension in these settings. And I won't be alienated from people by the sentimental idiocy that overcomes people's sensitive awareness through drink.

That was the lesson I took from that.

Protest-wise I think this resentizing and relaxing effect of group meditation would be an awesome thing to lend.

I've always been partial to those Falun Dafa (Chi Qong) people who set up at protests and meditate with their hands in that special mudhras.

Has anyone seen any Falun Dafa people there?

Thanks, for sharing, yo.

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Heading down to Liberty Park for the 1pm General Assembly. I think Barry's coming too. Who's with us? OJ represent!
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Ugh, rain today...

...I was gonna try to maybe head down to the occupation again today but rain convinced me otherwise, I was running errands and I got totally surprised/totally soaked just walking a couple blocks (on my way back home I took shelter at Phoebe's to get my shoes off and have a cup of tea and waited till the rain calmed down - thanks Phoebe!!)

Maybe I'll get to make it to the 1 pm general assembly tomorrow (Friday)...?

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Marching in the rain

is an incredibly cleansing experience!!! (on multiple levels)

I would say keep an eye on the website for changes. There is a 24 hr. live stream here and links to schedules and GA minutes: http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet There was an amendment today (which I'm not altogether in agreement with) to have General Assemblies only once a day now at 7pm. But if there isn't one there will probably be a march, which I highly recommend as well, more of a rush than the GA's but I think both are very important for the full experience. The other folks will have to speak for themselves but I felt totally safe. The routes are pretty mapped out and there are designated guides to lead you along and keep people together. As long as you do not talk to the Cops and stay on the sidewalk I don't think you run any risks of physical injury or arrest. With that being said, you never know. There are actually groups that meet throughout the park that can help advise you on direct action and peaceful marching that would probably be worth checking out as well if you are at all spooked by the idea of marching.

The best thing to do is to just get down there and see where you heart takes you. I would highly recommend though that you try to attend as many of the General Assemblies as possible and then maybe attend the "direct action" group to learn about the marches. Respect the process!

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This is a riot -

First of all this is very funny.
Second of all it's an amazing example of how people's media can infiltrate the wider media/culture world, and has a snowballing power. From somebody's iPhone to a local cable-access news show and then up to the writing staff of Jon Stewart & The Daily Show - and the entertainment power of The Daily Show now propels this information to millions of new people being exposed to this incident for the first time.
In addition to the vast exposure this will bring, this is totally gonna make you laugh (tho based on a sad incident at the protest). Check it out and pass it on -

http://gawker.com/5845321/jon-stewart-takes-on-occupy-wall-streets-peppe...

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Whenabouts & Whereabouts

I've been swallowed by this horrible new job that has me working 50 hrs/ week for less than minimum wage. (not legal, i know). I really want to try to make it down to wall st when i can, though.

The protest is 24/7, right? Or was that just the first few days after the execution of Troy Davis?

Has the protest moved to One Police plaza or is that an offshoot?

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It's 24/7 but there are

It's 24/7 but there are various events and meetings that are scheduled. You can find a schedule to most goings on here: https://occupywallst.org/

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Confession of Cowardice

I'm new to protesting in an organized way--and I am still not sure I am totally into following and being part of a herd where I am being lead, but I was out there today.
I was one of the ones that got kettled in on the Brooklyn Bridge.
I'll leave out a lot of details, but basically there came a point at the foot of the bridge where a large portion of us swept up onto the car part instead of the walkway.
There are different theories as to how/why this happened.
All I know is most of us--as far as I could tell--went that way.
When we got a bit less than halfway the march stopped. I was way back and we didn't know why it had stopped, so people started chanting "march, march".
We saw the line of cops walking behind us and I thought they were just going to follow us across.
Stopped, we were just standing there.
That when the cops caught up to us and pulled out the orange fence.
Two older men sat down cross-legged and were hauled away.
The cops left about 5 feet open on one side and were letting people leave and walk unescorted back down the bridge back into Manhattan.
Then, all of a sudden, they closed it.
I went up to a captain and said "I thought you were letting us go if we chose".
He said, "You waited too long".
Then, a minute later, they reopened a portion and said "Go now if you're going".
That's when I decided to go.
I regret it really.

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You should not feel guilty

You should not feel guilty about this. Noone should be arrested for this. You can do more good for the movement out of jail.

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Neil's MIA

Neil posted on FB 3 hrs ago (around 7pm) that he was on the bridge and he thought it was looking like he was about to be arrested.

I'm assuming he hasn't updated since then cause he's in cuffs in a bus.

Keep vigil, people!

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General Assembly Minutes

This is a great place to keep up on the GA's. It includes regular reports from the various committees, updates from the legal team, and often first hand accounts of the days goings on. In my opinion it's the most accurate account of the daily activities of the movement: http://nycga.cc/

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Getting Clearer, Updated Monday, 10-3-2011

Truth is I was not 100% proud of going onto the car part of the bridge.
I had mixed feelings about it and came face to face with my lack of conviction when the NYPD told me I could leave.
So, I left.

I believe if we had been on the walkway and they had corralled us I would have refused to leave and been willing to be arrested.

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Am I willing to be jailed for something or even killed for something?
Yes.
Did I believe fully in what I was doing, the way that I was doing it?
No.

I had mixed feelings all along about taking part in the occupy wall street events that I took part in. (Which is a different issue from the fact that I didn't believe taking the car side of the bridge was a good idea but I followed the main crowd and did it.)
One belief I have is that revolution is just a changing of the hands that hold the power--which does not interest me, even if for a while the new hands lord over you in a less oppressive way.
Second I have is that I was born with a mission to accomplish (a karmic debt to pay) that is unique to me, and I don't believe i can do that and follow leaders of some mass movement at the same time---and yes OWS does have leaders.
Being a human microphone for instance instead of singing---that's not using my talents correctly.
I had even thought of donating the money I had put aside for a digital piano---losing my bearings.
It's easy, especially when you are feeling lonely, to join something already established where you can basically be fed and led if you choose, but not doing my own thing bothers me--so I am back attempting to forge my own way.
Thirdly, I have the unpopular belief that all laws, even laws that curtail what corporations can do, are bad.
I don't believe that survival is noble, but that living is.
I don't believe it is right to protect yourself.
I don't believe the ends ever justify the means.
Rather, the means are all that matter. The end is irrelevant.
I don't care about democracy, just pure chaos ie. anarchy.
I would rather be hurt by a CEO in some way than have him locked in prison.
Revolution is something I find gross, of this world, and negative.
As for violence, as soon as you committ it you become what you were against.
It is better, according to what I believe, to be killed than to kill.

Do I believe in the organized OWS with it's rules and formats and structures?
Not so much, for myself.
For those that honestly believe becoming directly involved in it is the right thing to do I say go for it.
There are some nice, committed people down there.

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Neil's A Free Man

Neil's out. He was, indeed amongst those arrested on the br. yesterday. He was detained for 6 hrs at the 79th precinct Bed-Stuy.

Judging from his FB post he sounds well.

Todo bién, folks!

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I also just saw Luke. He

I also just saw Luke. He seemed okay. Same shit different precinct.

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Good article here on how the

Good article here on how the whole thing sort of got started.

‘You’re creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/youre-creating-a-vis...

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i went down last friday &

i went down last friday & i'll go again if it ever stops raining, now that i think about it even if it goes on raining.
i can't think of a demonstration i'm more totally in favor of politically but more dispirited about practically . . but maybe with continued presence and continued media coverage ~ commentators who apparently aren't active politically on the issue are so angered by the unconscionable police response that they're writing it up ~ just maybe it'll turn out to be an effective protest.
. . . see you there.

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It strikes me that the OCW

It strikes me that the OCW movement's goal is a revolution, which would be a changing hands of power.
They are not for the end of laws, but for enforcing or changing laws.
A leadership circle is forming and solidifying.

I don't like laws period, and I am not interested in them taking over, forming a new government, ceasing all land, redistributing it, and me getting some as a result of that.
A "fair" government is still a government, and still part of the problem.
"Fair" or not, government exists and persists only by a continuing use of violence.
All governement is oppressive to free-minded people.

There was a revolution in Cuba. They lined people against the wall and shot them. Not cool by me.
Wall Street bankers being lined against a wall and shot? Not interested.
Dick Cheney being lined against a wall and shot? Not interested.
People giving me a "good" job and a nice piece of land and then being my leaders? Not interested.

I have no reason to believe that if these folks somehow eventually take over that they will not kill me if I speak out against their new governement.

OCW is an organization with agendas, leaders, structures, protocols, etc.
You get some pure people at the start of a revolution and all corrupt by the end.
Revolution is not the way.

I aim to carry on, being hypocritical at times perhaps, but over all moving forward, letting go of fears, and believing in nothing (ie. anarchy).
I can't settle for a lesser life, or a lesser ideal, just because it's universally unpopular and nearly impossible to live up to.

PS Perhaps boycotting Apple would be a stance worth taking, instead of using Apple computers to orgainze a march against big corporations with shady practices like Apple.
PPS Yes, this is somewhat sloppy and vague, but I haven't got time to fine-tune it further.
PPPS To anyone whose karma (if there is anyone) is truly to take an active part in the OCW movement, I say go for it.

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To be fair I think the OCW

OCW has what they call "facilitators" not so much leaders. Anyone can join the facilitator committee meeting and be one by the way. They facilitate the General Assemblies. There are also committee leaders but also think their power is subject to consensus.

Just want to make it clear that so far as I can tell this movement has been 100% non violent. Outside of individuals I've seen no consensus that has been for advocating any kind of violent or even unlawful activity. They have supported individuals who have chosen to be arrested as a form of social protest but there has been not mass movement towards anything against the law or violent.

I've also heard no consensus about redistributing land? Most of what you've said about the movement, in you last post, has been purely speculative. You can read the minutes of every GA here: http://nycga.cc/
This is what is really happening.

As far as the "boycotting apple" question goes. I've heard it put this way. The fact that a statue exists honoring Martin Luther King is far more important, at this point in our human history, than where the materials that make up the statue come from. I'm not saying that it's not important but I think these kinds of things will eventually get ironed out in the process. At this point I respect the process. Anarchy makes no sense to me. What the country is now is closer to Anarchy than what is going on in that park.

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Sleeping Bag Debate

Just a little side note, in reference to the "Using Apple" issue. There is a debate that was going on just yesterday at the GA about purchasing sleeping bags for the people who are sleeping down there. The comfort committee wanted to get some money from the group to purchase some sleeping bags because it's starting to get cold. But some of the people thought that "purchasing" them and having to pay taxes would be counter to the movement's goals. Others thought only second hand sleeping bags should be purchased. And still even others felt that they should be making their own sleeping bags. It's sort of a fascinating debate. Luckily, there is a little time but with winter approaching something is going to have to get decided. So, you can see how this is just one example of the kind of stuff that can be kind of pains taking but important. This process does allow for that kind of discussion eventually. I feel like eventually they'll get to the computer question.

http://nycga.cc/2011/10/03/general-assembly-minutes-103-730-pm/

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Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small in NYTimes today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/us/anti-wall-street-protests-spread-to...

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Agreed, the OWS movement has only proposed/backed peaceful protest.
I have just heard the word revolution used by some out there.

Agreed also, facilitators instead of leaders--- at least for now, hopefully always.

Consensus is still not self-rule/anarchy.
If the consensus/majority vote is to do something I am against than I still must become an outlaw to follow my heart.

I disagree entirely regarding the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. monument.
The ends never justify the means.

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If public funds are used to

If public funds are used to make the statue, then I agree with you, stuff like materials and labor should be up for debate. But if someone wants to construct a statue on their own, shouldn't that person be able to do it however they want? Where do we draw the line? It's an interesting question.

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Peacefulness

If you advocate that certain laws be passed and enforced, or that certain existing laws be enforced, you advocate violence.
You cannot peacefully enforce a law.

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Good News - Plus Soros On Our Side

Two good media pieces on OWS:
NY Times business page this morning http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/03/on-wall-street-a-protest-matures/...
and French TV5, the premier French news channel (of which there is no equivalent in the US - it is serious news on TV, a concept that many in the US have never heard of) had a good piece with video this morning at http://www.tv5.org/ (click "Le JT en video") ~ it included a clip of George Soros saying he is in sympathy with the protest

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We all have our own calling.

I respect anybody that follows their heart.

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All I really know to do is to stay as honest as possible, and not be clingy.

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Clingy?

Clingy?

"Here to do great things."

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In this case not being clingy would be refusing to have preconceived ideas.
Refusing to cling to any beliefs, so that invalid ones become and/or remain non-existent.

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My experience on Wall Street

A number of you may have already seen this, I sent it via e-mail to a list of people.
It's a good thing the protest is taking place but much more needs to be done.
Who knows what to do?

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Just briefly I was a Wall Street occupant. I felt a responsibility to go and if I didn’t I think it would have always bothered me. One can’t quite grasp it from the reporting and the images that have circulated. You have to experience it for yourself. It was organized and peaceful. When I was there the police seemed to be simply doing their job, standing by just in case, and hopefully the safety of the people is their priority. Hopefully they understand that they are part of the same group of people they’re watching over. A lot of people were communicating in different ways and that all seemed to be really positive. However, it often looked just the way one might expect it to look, and as people took on their prescribed roles I felt some desperation. This is a big deal! This protest represents a call to action, a call to change, a change to a more humane way of coexisting. I couldn't help but feel that not enough people in the city and in the world will take it seriously or even open an eye and an ear to consider what is being protested. In glimpses, “Occupy Wall Street” might just look like a gathering of hippies alternately dancing and lying around on the pavement and that simply will not stir much sympathy. Obviously the fascists running the corporations and in turn our governments do not yet sympathize, but even the people that are affected by all of this, who really should care and should also be peaceably assembling on Wall Street or in their own cities, much of the 99% appears slow to sympathize with the common plight. The common plight being, as was stated by the New York City general assembly, that our governments are run by corporations that “place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality.” This is not fallacious or unfounded. This is the problem. It is imperative that this movement becomes more focused and organized because the protesters in their hippie costume will elicit little or no sympathy as they are looked at with both disdain and nostalgia. The familiar image makes it too easy for onlookers to quickly conclude that they understand this, they've seen it before, and turn away with a smug smirk. This is part of what I observed. They might suppose that these “kids” have already “dropped out” and they don’t really share the concerns of a middle class. There were also tourists on buses and on foot who looked on the proceedings with amusement, perhaps not realizing how much this struggle is their own. This is not to say that all of the protesters are hippies or just look like hippies or that there is anything wrong with hippies. But it seemed more meaningful to see the citizens who came down after work, some of them with signs, some of them in their jacket and tie they wear to the office. We need all kinds of people involved. These varied people, which might include you, might make more of a difference and help others learn what solidarity is about because more people can identify with them. That is what is needed: people to identify with one another. And we need statements straightforward and plain as well as symbolic to illuminate specific actions to make a difference. Visiting Wall Street I felt like the populace is being slowly killed by a relatively small number of people with seemingly no compassion, just rampant greed. The 1% is a parasite that has been effectively ignored even as the symptoms have become more severe. Overall, the experience opened my heart and I felt a surge of compassion for humanity. Please go to Wall Street or wherever similar demonstrations are taking place near you, and please make a new effort to understand what it is about. The problems are many and they are complex, but treating others fairly is simple. Perhaps by adopting more neighborly behavior (globally!) we can iron out some of these complex problems.

While it can help to spread some information, it's not enough to "like" and "share" posts on Facebook. Many of you are better informed and more articulate than I am. Some of you can dream as big ; ) I hope you will take back some of your fearless, youthful spirit that didn't tread so lightly and didn't worry about saying it just right. Take part in the conversation, take part in the action, and do what you can to bring about the changes that matter to you. Now is the time.